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		<title>By: Kiri Close</title>
		<link>http://www.the-exponent.com/2007/04/18/the-bright-side/comment-page-1/#comment-3972</link>
		<dc:creator>Kiri Close</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 08:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly, Patata--the fixation on white is unsettling for me. that&#039;s great that white means something to you.

It doesn&#039;t for me in the same way.

Our church&#039;s fixation on white is merely that--a fixation. And in days of old or recent past, this was done why? because we&#039;re too human and can&#039;t figure out how to be more in tune or &#039;pure&#039; with the ever diverse Holy Spirit who is light years ahead of us small-minded biological, earth humans.

But if we want to quibble about colors, then let&#039;s consider how the &#039;red robed&#039; Christ, some of the temple clothing, stories of people with visions of different colored apparel, etc.

White is just a color we have fixated on in our material world. And just because prophets of our past have said something about it, remember we should be considering what the most recent prophets are saying since LDS believe in continuing revelation.

For some cultures, red is the color of purity, and others, even black. I don&#039;t recognize the relevancy of white other than it being a fixation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly, Patata&#8211;the fixation on white is unsettling for me. that&#8217;s great that white means something to you.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t for me in the same way.</p>
<p>Our church&#8217;s fixation on white is merely that&#8211;a fixation. And in days of old or recent past, this was done why? because we&#8217;re too human and can&#8217;t figure out how to be more in tune or &#8216;pure&#8217; with the ever diverse Holy Spirit who is light years ahead of us small-minded biological, earth humans.</p>
<p>But if we want to quibble about colors, then let&#8217;s consider how the &#8216;red robed&#8217; Christ, some of the temple clothing, stories of people with visions of different colored apparel, etc.</p>
<p>White is just a color we have fixated on in our material world. And just because prophets of our past have said something about it, remember we should be considering what the most recent prophets are saying since LDS believe in continuing revelation.</p>
<p>For some cultures, red is the color of purity, and others, even black. I don&#8217;t recognize the relevancy of white other than it being a fixation.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 17:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What VirtualM said.  (I miss that place.)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Randy B.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What VirtualM said.  (I miss that place.)</p>
<p>Randy B.</p>
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		<title>By: AmyB</title>
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		<dc:creator>AmyB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 12:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patata Brava,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I hadn&#039;t intended this to be about white shirts.  I find it interesting that men primarily responded to that particular point.  I suppose it is kind of a nonissue for women, since we don&#039;t officiate in anything. Sigh.  I don&#039;t disagree with you that there is great symbolic value in certain things, such as wearing white.  However, I think that the richness of the symbolism loses something when white shirts and ties become first and foremost a symbol of conformity.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This is what I love about my inner city ward.  People are there genuinely trying their best, with humility and love.  When men show up to pass the sacrament in their Sunday best, and sometimes that&#039;s a bright orange suit or something more traditionally African, it&#039;s not because they are not conforming, it&#039;s because they are wearing the best they have.  When those intentions are clear, as they can be more easily in a small branch with mostly converts, symbols of conformity cease to be an issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patata Brava,</p>
<p>I hadn&#8217;t intended this to be about white shirts.  I find it interesting that men primarily responded to that particular point.  I suppose it is kind of a nonissue for women, since we don&#8217;t officiate in anything. Sigh.  I don&#8217;t disagree with you that there is great symbolic value in certain things, such as wearing white.  However, I think that the richness of the symbolism loses something when white shirts and ties become first and foremost a symbol of conformity.</p>
<p>This is what I love about my inner city ward.  People are there genuinely trying their best, with humility and love.  When men show up to pass the sacrament in their Sunday best, and sometimes that&#8217;s a bright orange suit or something more traditionally African, it&#8217;s not because they are not conforming, it&#8217;s because they are wearing the best they have.  When those intentions are clear, as they can be more easily in a small branch with mostly converts, symbols of conformity cease to be an issue.</p>
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		<title>By: AmyB</title>
		<link>http://www.the-exponent.com/2007/04/18/the-bright-side/comment-page-1/#comment-3969</link>
		<dc:creator>AmyB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 12:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jen, yes I do live in NYC.  I don&#039;t think I&#039;ll ever leave.  :)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;VirtualM, your ward sounds great.  Thanks for sharing.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Britt, I&#039;m glad you found us!  Best of luck with your adventure there in the Marshall Islands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jen, yes I do live in NYC.  I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ll ever leave.  <img src='http://www.the-exponent.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>VirtualM, your ward sounds great.  Thanks for sharing.</p>
<p>Britt, I&#8217;m glad you found us!  Best of luck with your adventure there in the Marshall Islands.</p>
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		<title>By: Patata Brava</title>
		<link>http://www.the-exponent.com/2007/04/18/the-bright-side/comment-page-1/#comment-3968</link>
		<dc:creator>Patata Brava</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 03:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to be the contrarian, because I do agree with much of what has been said.  I do agree that the Mormon experience changes the further one gets from Utah.  That is one of the specific reasons why my wife and I moved a year or so ago.  We both missed the &quot;by the seat of our pants&quot; feeling that you get in these smaller wards away from the mountain west.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But I do take issue with some of the comments about white shirts.  Obviously I am not close minded to say that if you don&#039;t wear a white shirt, then you can&#039;t step foot in the chapel.  We can&#039;t afford to chase members away at all.  Still, I think that wearing a white shirt is important, and there is some indication from the standard works that white is an important color for administering the gospel.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Joseph Smith described in JS history 1:31 that Moroni &quot;had on a loose robe of most exquisite awhiteness. It was a whiteness beyond anything earthly I had ever seen; nor do I believe that any earthly thing could be made to appear so exceedingly white and brilliant.&quot;  Or in other words a messenger of God was dressed in white.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;A prophet of the Lord said at General Conference said, &quot;I am not going to say much about the dress. We are not a people who look to formality, certainly we do not believe in phylacteries, in uniforms, on sacred occasions, but I do think that the Lord will be pleased with a bishopric if they will instruct the young men who are invited to administer the sacrament to dress properly. He will not be displeased if they come with a white shirt instead of a colored one, and we are not so poor that we cannot afford clean, white shirts for the boys who administer the sacrament. If they do not have them, at least they will come with clean hands, and especially with a pure heart.&quot;&lt;br/&gt; (President David O. Mckay, Conference Report, October 1956, General Priesthood Meeting 89.)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Usually, whenever a priesthood holder performs an ordinance (baptism, temple, sacrament) they wear white clothing.  This clothing symbolizes the cleanliness that a representative of the Lord should have.  Yes, blessings of health can be given without wearing white because one doesn&#039;t always plan these things.  And yes, baptisms for the dead were first performed (in this dispensation) in the Mississippi River.  The Lord makes allowances when we are trying our very best.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;m not going to tell a deacon who just got baptized 3 weeks ago not to pass the sacrament because he is wearing the best blue shirt that he has.  I&#039;m not going to tell a member of my Elder&#039;s quorum that he is not worthy to come to class because he isn&#039;t wearing a white shirt.  But there is a reason why the priesthood is instructed to where white shirts.  The Bishopric preside over the Sacrament, and any member of the priesthood could be asked to pass the sacrament on any given Sunday.  The Lord teaches us through the symbolism of ordinances; the white helps to remind that the priesthood holder is acting in the name of the Son.  Once you start taking away those symbols, lessons are lost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to be the contrarian, because I do agree with much of what has been said.  I do agree that the Mormon experience changes the further one gets from Utah.  That is one of the specific reasons why my wife and I moved a year or so ago.  We both missed the &#8220;by the seat of our pants&#8221; feeling that you get in these smaller wards away from the mountain west.</p>
<p>But I do take issue with some of the comments about white shirts.  Obviously I am not close minded to say that if you don&#8217;t wear a white shirt, then you can&#8217;t step foot in the chapel.  We can&#8217;t afford to chase members away at all.  Still, I think that wearing a white shirt is important, and there is some indication from the standard works that white is an important color for administering the gospel.</p>
<p>Joseph Smith described in JS history 1:31 that Moroni &#8220;had on a loose robe of most exquisite awhiteness. It was a whiteness beyond anything earthly I had ever seen; nor do I believe that any earthly thing could be made to appear so exceedingly white and brilliant.&#8221;  Or in other words a messenger of God was dressed in white.  </p>
<p>A prophet of the Lord said at General Conference said, &#8220;I am not going to say much about the dress. We are not a people who look to formality, certainly we do not believe in phylacteries, in uniforms, on sacred occasions, but I do think that the Lord will be pleased with a bishopric if they will instruct the young men who are invited to administer the sacrament to dress properly. He will not be displeased if they come with a white shirt instead of a colored one, and we are not so poor that we cannot afford clean, white shirts for the boys who administer the sacrament. If they do not have them, at least they will come with clean hands, and especially with a pure heart.&#8221;<br /> (President David O. Mckay, Conference Report, October 1956, General Priesthood Meeting 89.)</p>
<p>Usually, whenever a priesthood holder performs an ordinance (baptism, temple, sacrament) they wear white clothing.  This clothing symbolizes the cleanliness that a representative of the Lord should have.  Yes, blessings of health can be given without wearing white because one doesn&#8217;t always plan these things.  And yes, baptisms for the dead were first performed (in this dispensation) in the Mississippi River.  The Lord makes allowances when we are trying our very best.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not going to tell a deacon who just got baptized 3 weeks ago not to pass the sacrament because he is wearing the best blue shirt that he has.  I&#8217;m not going to tell a member of my Elder&#8217;s quorum that he is not worthy to come to class because he isn&#8217;t wearing a white shirt.  But there is a reason why the priesthood is instructed to where white shirts.  The Bishopric preside over the Sacrament, and any member of the priesthood could be asked to pass the sacrament on any given Sunday.  The Lord teaches us through the symbolism of ordinances; the white helps to remind that the priesthood holder is acting in the name of the Son.  Once you start taking away those symbols, lessons are lost.</p>
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		<title>By: Britt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Britt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just wanted to say a big thankyou to all of you that have posted here for your comments and your enthusiasm.  I love my tiny struggling branch, too!  9 months ago I moved to Majuro, Marshall Islands (a 3.75 square mile ribbon of land in the middle of the Pacific) and have enjoyed my little Uliga Branch so much.  Today I was feeling down about not doing more as I struggle in my attempts to simultaneously learn Marshallese and also serve the families through my Relief Society calling. The need for &quot;Relief&quot; here often feels overwhelming!  But there are so many reasons to celebrate, too!  You have reminded me about all the things I love about being a member of the church in this place. Thankyou so much!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wanted to say a big thankyou to all of you that have posted here for your comments and your enthusiasm.  I love my tiny struggling branch, too!  9 months ago I moved to Majuro, Marshall Islands (a 3.75 square mile ribbon of land in the middle of the Pacific) and have enjoyed my little Uliga Branch so much.  Today I was feeling down about not doing more as I struggle in my attempts to simultaneously learn Marshallese and also serve the families through my Relief Society calling. The need for &#8220;Relief&#8221; here often feels overwhelming!  But there are so many reasons to celebrate, too!  You have reminded me about all the things I love about being a member of the church in this place. Thankyou so much!</p>
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		<title>By: VirtualM</title>
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		<dc:creator>VirtualM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 16:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love my ward. I&#039;m in an inner-city ward, and it&#039;s bustling with people from every walk of like you could possibly imagine. &lt;br/&gt;I love that we have a twenty-seven year old bishop and that his wife often wears pantsuits to church. I love that our Stake President talks like a Baptist preacher. The congregation says &#039;Good Morning&#039; back whenever it is said over the pulpit, and if a speaker or testimony bearer forgets their &#039;Good Morning&#039;, a sister in the congregation usually reminds them by calling out &#039;Good Morning!&#039; to the speaker. I love that the Gospel Principles class fills the Relief Society room every week and that our Ward Mission leader is a new member himself. I love that during Sunday School one can walk the halls and find people having riveting conversations and that they don&#039;t feel guilty for skipping Sunday School to chat. We also have people, like the Sister who gave the closing prayer yesterday in Sacrament Meeting, wearing full traditional African dress. I love the poltical and even religious belief spectrum that one finds in each class or meeting. &lt;br/&gt;And some of the testimonies in our ward....let&#039;s just say we don&#039;t call it &#039;open mic&#039; for nothing. &lt;br/&gt;Our ward isn&#039;t small - over 600 people on the rolls at any given time, and it makes Home Teaching overwhelming (DH has 20 families on his list.) It&#039;s transient and many of the stronger members are either student families or move out of the area when they enter a higher income bracket. We purposely bought a small house in the ward boundaries so we could help establish some consistency, even though we&#039;ll probably be driven to the suburbs and the more traditional wards when it comes time for DS to enter school. But for now, we love it. These types of wards, while challenging, are the best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love my ward. I&#8217;m in an inner-city ward, and it&#8217;s bustling with people from every walk of like you could possibly imagine. <br />I love that we have a twenty-seven year old bishop and that his wife often wears pantsuits to church. I love that our Stake President talks like a Baptist preacher. The congregation says &#8216;Good Morning&#8217; back whenever it is said over the pulpit, and if a speaker or testimony bearer forgets their &#8216;Good Morning&#8217;, a sister in the congregation usually reminds them by calling out &#8216;Good Morning!&#8217; to the speaker. I love that the Gospel Principles class fills the Relief Society room every week and that our Ward Mission leader is a new member himself. I love that during Sunday School one can walk the halls and find people having riveting conversations and that they don&#8217;t feel guilty for skipping Sunday School to chat. We also have people, like the Sister who gave the closing prayer yesterday in Sacrament Meeting, wearing full traditional African dress. I love the poltical and even religious belief spectrum that one finds in each class or meeting. <br />And some of the testimonies in our ward&#8230;.let&#8217;s just say we don&#8217;t call it &#8216;open mic&#8217; for nothing. <br />Our ward isn&#8217;t small &#8211; over 600 people on the rolls at any given time, and it makes Home Teaching overwhelming (DH has 20 families on his list.) It&#8217;s transient and many of the stronger members are either student families or move out of the area when they enter a higher income bracket. We purposely bought a small house in the ward boundaries so we could help establish some consistency, even though we&#8217;ll probably be driven to the suburbs and the more traditional wards when it comes time for DS to enter school. But for now, we love it. These types of wards, while challenging, are the best.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 01:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You must live in NYC.  Wow...your post was so thoughtful and makes me miss my old ward in Queens... Inner city wards/branches are so much work, but so rewarding!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You must live in NYC.  Wow&#8230;your post was so thoughtful and makes me miss my old ward in Queens&#8230; Inner city wards/branches are so much work, but so rewarding!</p>
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		<title>By: EmilyCC</title>
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		<dc:creator>EmilyCC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 23:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was a good post for me because I was forced to think of the positives of my ward (lately, I&#039;ve been dwelling on the negatives).  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I love that I&#039;ve made friends with people I would never have made friends with if we didn&#039;t have the Church in common--people of different ages, economic status, political leanings, etc. And, I&#039;m a better person for having those friendships.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was a good post for me because I was forced to think of the positives of my ward (lately, I&#8217;ve been dwelling on the negatives).  </p>
<p>I love that I&#8217;ve made friends with people I would never have made friends with if we didn&#8217;t have the Church in common&#8211;people of different ages, economic status, political leanings, etc. And, I&#8217;m a better person for having those friendships.</p>
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		<title>By: amelia</title>
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		<dc:creator>amelia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 22:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think sometimes it is harder to look beyond someone&#039;s conformity to expectation and see the real person, than to look beyond someone&#039;s failure to conform.  behind the white shirts and ties and the perfectly coiffed hair and panty hose, there are beautiful, complex, passionate people.  it can be far too easy to dismiss them as just a white shirt and tie or just a perfect hair-do and nylons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think sometimes it is harder to look beyond someone&#8217;s conformity to expectation and see the real person, than to look beyond someone&#8217;s failure to conform.  behind the white shirts and ties and the perfectly coiffed hair and panty hose, there are beautiful, complex, passionate people.  it can be far too easy to dismiss them as just a white shirt and tie or just a perfect hair-do and nylons.</p>
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