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		<title>By: amber</title>
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		<dc:creator>amber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 13:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thankyou, I love this!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thankyou, I love this!!</p>
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		<title>By: Kiri Close</title>
		<link>http://www.the-exponent.com/2008/08/26/producing-joy-and-making-magick-with-god/comment-page-1/#comment-8611</link>
		<dc:creator>Kiri Close</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 07:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this post is so cool, &amp; has come to me right when I need it :o)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this post is so cool, &amp; has come to me right when I need it <img src='http://www.the-exponent.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif' alt=':o' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
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		<title>By: Jessawhy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessawhy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 03:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>G
I haven&#039;t read it, but it sounds fascinating. I&#039;ll have to get a copy.
(My shelf of half-read books is pretty long, including many Mormon titles: Rough Stone Rolling, In Sacred Loneliness, etc)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>G<br />
I haven&#8217;t read it, but it sounds fascinating. I&#8217;ll have to get a copy.<br />
(My shelf of half-read books is pretty long, including many Mormon titles: Rough Stone Rolling, In Sacred Loneliness, etc)</p>
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		<title>By: G</title>
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		<dc:creator>G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jessawhy, have you ever read &quot;Early Mormonism and the Magic World View&quot; by Michael Quinn?

I&#039;m about half way through it (I&#039;ve been about half-way through it for several months now) and it is a fascinating review of the  &#039;folk&#039; beliefs and magic world view (&quot;pagan&quot;) that informed Joseph Smith&#039;s upbringing.

(I really need to finish that book.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jessawhy, have you ever read &#8220;Early Mormonism and the Magic World View&#8221; by Michael Quinn?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m about half way through it (I&#8217;ve been about half-way through it for several months now) and it is a fascinating review of the  &#8216;folk&#8217; beliefs and magic world view (&#8220;pagan&#8221;) that informed Joseph Smith&#8217;s upbringing.</p>
<p>(I really need to finish that book.)</p>
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		<title>By: Jessawhy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessawhy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 05:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your comments, everyone!

G, I&#039;m so glad you enjoyed the piece. I was really caught up in the connections to pagan magick that surrounded Joseph Smith&#039;s time. I actually feel a little sad that we try so hard as a church to &quot;overcome&quot; the magick and mysticism the was a part of early church history. I think we should embrace it. Perhaps that would help us find and embrace the divine within us as well.

Margy,
I like the idea of looking for the joy in the Book of Mormon, or anywhere in life. I&#039;ve found that smiling really helps me. There&#039;s some science to support the idea, &quot;Fake it till you make it.&quot;

Caroline,
It&#039;s hard for me to actually put these ideas into practice, but putting them down on paper, so to speak, is a step in the right direction.

Janey,
You may be right that I wasn&#039;t raised to enjoy life. But, I do think that many of us are too focused on not breaking rules and not focused enough on how to help others, or how to bring light and joy to those around us.

AnaCA,
I&#039;ll have to go back and look at Elder Ballard&#039;s talk. I find that looking for the beauty and being grateful for the small moments is a way for me to find greater joy in my life.

Mel S,
You ask a great question.
&quot;Where do you think the line is between the traditional approach and the joyous one?&quot;
I think it was Natalie at BCC who talked about going about our lives in the joyous path, and repenting for sins along the way. But, I see your point that the line is often fuzzy and unique for everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comments, everyone!</p>
<p>G, I&#8217;m so glad you enjoyed the piece. I was really caught up in the connections to pagan magick that surrounded Joseph Smith&#8217;s time. I actually feel a little sad that we try so hard as a church to &#8220;overcome&#8221; the magick and mysticism the was a part of early church history. I think we should embrace it. Perhaps that would help us find and embrace the divine within us as well.</p>
<p>Margy,<br />
I like the idea of looking for the joy in the Book of Mormon, or anywhere in life. I&#8217;ve found that smiling really helps me. There&#8217;s some science to support the idea, &#8220;Fake it till you make it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Caroline,<br />
It&#8217;s hard for me to actually put these ideas into practice, but putting them down on paper, so to speak, is a step in the right direction.</p>
<p>Janey,<br />
You may be right that I wasn&#8217;t raised to enjoy life. But, I do think that many of us are too focused on not breaking rules and not focused enough on how to help others, or how to bring light and joy to those around us.</p>
<p>AnaCA,<br />
I&#8217;ll have to go back and look at Elder Ballard&#8217;s talk. I find that looking for the beauty and being grateful for the small moments is a way for me to find greater joy in my life.</p>
<p>Mel S,<br />
You ask a great question.<br />
&#8220;Where do you think the line is between the traditional approach and the joyous one?&#8221;<br />
I think it was Natalie at BCC who talked about going about our lives in the joyous path, and repenting for sins along the way. But, I see your point that the line is often fuzzy and unique for everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Mel S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mel S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 02:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a great reminder - I love Clay&#039;s thoughts that creating joy is a characteristic of the divine.

Too often we peg our God as one who thrives on deprivation, that it is the key to overcoming the natural woman, and we get sucked into a righteousness competition with how strictly we observe the sabbath, the For the Strength of Youth pamphlet, or the WoW.

Where do you think the line is between the traditional approach and the joyous one?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a great reminder &#8211; I love Clay&#8217;s thoughts that creating joy is a characteristic of the divine.</p>
<p>Too often we peg our God as one who thrives on deprivation, that it is the key to overcoming the natural woman, and we get sucked into a righteousness competition with how strictly we observe the sabbath, the For the Strength of Youth pamphlet, or the WoW.</p>
<p>Where do you think the line is between the traditional approach and the joyous one?</p>
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		<title>By: AnaCA</title>
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		<dc:creator>AnaCA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recognized myself in your description of having a harder day with the family after a wonderful time away. I really struggle with re-entry!

For all that some people had concerns with Elder Ballard&#039;s talk last General Conference, I thought he did a great job giving very specific practical steps toward enjoying motherhood and womanhood. The first one was recognizing moments of joy. I&#039;ve had it on a sticky note on my computer ever since and have found myself at times - snuggling the baby to sleep, watching an eager answer in FHE - realizing, &quot;this is one of the moments.&quot; It definitely takes a conscious effort, and maybe sometimes a slightly out-of-the-ordinary way of thinking about joy makes that a little easier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recognized myself in your description of having a harder day with the family after a wonderful time away. I really struggle with re-entry!</p>
<p>For all that some people had concerns with Elder Ballard&#8217;s talk last General Conference, I thought he did a great job giving very specific practical steps toward enjoying motherhood and womanhood. The first one was recognizing moments of joy. I&#8217;ve had it on a sticky note on my computer ever since and have found myself at times &#8211; snuggling the baby to sleep, watching an eager answer in FHE &#8211; realizing, &#8220;this is one of the moments.&#8221; It definitely takes a conscious effort, and maybe sometimes a slightly out-of-the-ordinary way of thinking about joy makes that a little easier.</p>
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		<title>By: Janey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It makes me sad that so many people seem to have been raised in a way that makes them not understand this from a very young age. Life is to be enjoyed. We don&#039;t live in fear of making mistakes. We just try to avoid them as we go about doing good things. I guess I am going to be forced to finally accept that almost everyone that posts on blogs like this had parents that messed up their concept of what our religion is. Sad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It makes me sad that so many people seem to have been raised in a way that makes them not understand this from a very young age. Life is to be enjoyed. We don&#8217;t live in fear of making mistakes. We just try to avoid them as we go about doing good things. I guess I am going to be forced to finally accept that almost everyone that posts on blogs like this had parents that messed up their concept of what our religion is. Sad</p>
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		<title>By: Caroline</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caroline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jess, I love your thoughts here. That part about wanting to be a producer of light rather than a consumer of it resonates with me.

Beautiful post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jess, I love your thoughts here. That part about wanting to be a producer of light rather than a consumer of it resonates with me.</p>
<p>Beautiful post!</p>
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		<title>By: Margy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Margy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 05:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My sister-in-law once read the Book of Mormon with a specific  agenda of noticing and circling every mention of the word &quot;joy.&quot; She was amazed at how often the word appears and how many different contexts it appears in. At the time I thought I&#039;d like to do that too, but had forgotten about it. Thanks for helping me remember!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My sister-in-law once read the Book of Mormon with a specific  agenda of noticing and circling every mention of the word &#8220;joy.&#8221; She was amazed at how often the word appears and how many different contexts it appears in. At the time I thought I&#8217;d like to do that too, but had forgotten about it. Thanks for helping me remember!</p>
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