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		<title>By: Peace &#171; The Exponent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peace &#171; The Exponent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 06:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jill Alvarado</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill Alvarado</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love your comparison of &quot;us people&quot; to Mary and Martha story.  I wrote something similar on my blog (asthearmyofhelaman.wordpress.com).  Can I link my article to yours?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love your comparison of &#8220;us people&#8221; to Mary and Martha story.  I wrote something similar on my blog (asthearmyofhelaman.wordpress.com).  Can I link my article to yours?</p>
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		<title>By: Alisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>chelseaw, I have been asking myself your question this weekend. Thanks for getting me thinking! I suppose I was leaving it for interpretation that &quot;the better part&quot; is to choose what the Spirit directs us to do and leave it at that. Did Martha choose against the Spirit? I don&#039;t know for sure. Did choosing against the Spirit give her more of a feeling of being overwhelmed, which led to her complaint? Maybe. I hadn&#039;t seen that before. Perhaps because there&#039;s so much Martha in me, I&#039;m slow to judge her :).

But I think the application still applies to women in different walks of life, to follow their path and not worry so much about what path others are on. Of course, feeling that we&#039;re on the right path would hopefully lead us to cut others some slack, while questioning our own choices may lead us to criticize others as we seek further validation. But I think insecurity does not always arise from sin or choosing unwisely. It can arise from our needs as women to feel like we need to be the same, or our tendency to pre-judge someone else&#039;s life based on our surface-level knowledge. That&#039;s what I hope we can learn to avoid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>chelseaw, I have been asking myself your question this weekend. Thanks for getting me thinking! I suppose I was leaving it for interpretation that &#8220;the better part&#8221; is to choose what the Spirit directs us to do and leave it at that. Did Martha choose against the Spirit? I don&#8217;t know for sure. Did choosing against the Spirit give her more of a feeling of being overwhelmed, which led to her complaint? Maybe. I hadn&#8217;t seen that before. Perhaps because there&#8217;s so much Martha in me, I&#8217;m slow to judge her <img src='http://www.the-exponent.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
<p>But I think the application still applies to women in different walks of life, to follow their path and not worry so much about what path others are on. Of course, feeling that we&#8217;re on the right path would hopefully lead us to cut others some slack, while questioning our own choices may lead us to criticize others as we seek further validation. But I think insecurity does not always arise from sin or choosing unwisely. It can arise from our needs as women to feel like we need to be the same, or our tendency to pre-judge someone else&#8217;s life based on our surface-level knowledge. That&#8217;s what I hope we can learn to avoid.</p>
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		<title>By: Alisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 03:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>chelseaw, that&#039;s a great point. I&#039;ll have to think on that. My first thought is for a man that can feed 5,000 on five loaves of bread, maybe food service and physical needs weren&#039;t his top priority. But, I don&#039;t think he would have said anything if Martha hadn&#039;t been the first to criticize.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>chelseaw, that&#8217;s a great point. I&#8217;ll have to think on that. My first thought is for a man that can feed 5,000 on five loaves of bread, maybe food service and physical needs weren&#8217;t his top priority. But, I don&#8217;t think he would have said anything if Martha hadn&#8217;t been the first to criticize.</p>
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		<title>By: chelseaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>chelseaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 02:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love your application of the Mary/Martha story. I have often wondered why it is so difficult for us as women to be accepting and nonjudgemental of other women&#039;s choices, whether it&#039;s working/staying home, natural birth or epidural, breast or bottle - the choices are endless and it seems no matter what we do there will be someone who doesn&#039;t approve. I agree with you that it stems from insecurity. That&#039;s something I&#039;m trying to change about myself.

Another point that stands out to me about the Mary/Martha story though is that Jesus *does* make a judgment about it; he tells Mary that she has chosen &quot;the better part.&quot; I don&#039;t think he thought Mary and Martha were doing equally good things. I&#039;m not sure what the application would be in our lives from that - maybe that what we choose can be right for us, but not for someone else, and the only one who can truly judge is the Savior.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love your application of the Mary/Martha story. I have often wondered why it is so difficult for us as women to be accepting and nonjudgemental of other women&#8217;s choices, whether it&#8217;s working/staying home, natural birth or epidural, breast or bottle &#8211; the choices are endless and it seems no matter what we do there will be someone who doesn&#8217;t approve. I agree with you that it stems from insecurity. That&#8217;s something I&#8217;m trying to change about myself.</p>
<p>Another point that stands out to me about the Mary/Martha story though is that Jesus *does* make a judgment about it; he tells Mary that she has chosen &#8220;the better part.&#8221; I don&#8217;t think he thought Mary and Martha were doing equally good things. I&#8217;m not sure what the application would be in our lives from that &#8211; maybe that what we choose can be right for us, but not for someone else, and the only one who can truly judge is the Savior.</p>
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		<title>By: lyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>lyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 22:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BiV -In the conversation with my friend, that is what she was really seeking - in the end, she wanted me to tell her that her decision was the best so she could feel validated.  It is so hard to feel confident in our own decisions that we don&#039;t need others to validate us. I always have moments of self doubt that creep up.  I agree with Alisa that it is a lifelong pursuit.

Alisa - I&#039;ll need to go dig up Pres Faust&#039;s talk.  I just need to learn to put things on the shelf - I want to do all of it, all the time! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BiV -In the conversation with my friend, that is what she was really seeking &#8211; in the end, she wanted me to tell her that her decision was the best so she could feel validated.  It is so hard to feel confident in our own decisions that we don&#8217;t need others to validate us. I always have moments of self doubt that creep up.  I agree with Alisa that it is a lifelong pursuit.</p>
<p>Alisa &#8211; I&#8217;ll need to go dig up Pres Faust&#8217;s talk.  I just need to learn to put things on the shelf &#8211; I want to do all of it, all the time! <img src='http://www.the-exponent.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Kaylana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kaylana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 19:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post! I found it very enlightening and encouraging. I was married at twenty-three and had my first baby boy five months ago at age 28. We waited so I could finish school and I just wasn&#039;t ready. I don&#039;t think I was ready when I got pregnant, but I thought it&#039;s now or never! I&#039;m go glad we waited, it&#039;s been really tough, but there&#039;s no way I could&#039;ve handled being a mom any earlier. And I did experience lots of questions about why we didn&#039;t have kids yet. My father-in-law wrote us letters with talks from Spencer W. kimball on why we needed children now and no BC and how he worried about our salvation along with my sister-in-law. Thank goodness my family has been super supportive.

I&#039;m really grateful for your insights. I know when I get critical it&#039;s because I struggle with my own choices at times and therefore others are doing the same. Amazing, thanks again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post! I found it very enlightening and encouraging. I was married at twenty-three and had my first baby boy five months ago at age 28. We waited so I could finish school and I just wasn&#8217;t ready. I don&#8217;t think I was ready when I got pregnant, but I thought it&#8217;s now or never! I&#8217;m go glad we waited, it&#8217;s been really tough, but there&#8217;s no way I could&#8217;ve handled being a mom any earlier. And I did experience lots of questions about why we didn&#8217;t have kids yet. My father-in-law wrote us letters with talks from Spencer W. kimball on why we needed children now and no BC and how he worried about our salvation along with my sister-in-law. Thank goodness my family has been super supportive.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m really grateful for your insights. I know when I get critical it&#8217;s because I struggle with my own choices at times and therefore others are doing the same. Amazing, thanks again!</p>
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		<title>By: Alisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BiV - I really second everything you said. &quot;[W]e truly do not need every woman to make the exact same decisions as we do to validate what we have done.&quot; Amen.

I sometimes interpret the passion in other women for their choices the same way. Learning to be comfortable with our good choices is probably a life-long lesson, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BiV &#8211; I really second everything you said. &#8220;[W]e truly do not need every woman to make the exact same decisions as we do to validate what we have done.&#8221; Amen.</p>
<p>I sometimes interpret the passion in other women for their choices the same way. Learning to be comfortable with our good choices is probably a life-long lesson, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: Alisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you everyone for your comments and insights! I really appreciate them.

Moniker Challenged, I feel for you. I have to admit that my dad was the one who helped me see that &quot;my Mary&quot; could develop a thicker skin when it comes to the choices I feel are right and what others think of them. This has always been a challenge for me (as you can tell from my post). I think compassion is the best choice for me when other people criticise, particularly without real knowledge of my circumstances, and then I just go and do what I think is right anyway. Some people have a limited view, but over time it can change. People have backed off of being so critical of me. I&#039;m 29 without kids, and I actually feel less pressured to conform now than I did five years ago. I definitely wish you the best.

Lyn, great questions. While I see these three things as counsel (and not so much commandments - finances, education, and procreation are all deeply personal choices and necessarily customized to the individual), I see what you mean. The only solution I can come up with is that all three can eventually be done, but perhaps all not at the same time. That&#039;s why I really love President Faust&#039;s talk on this. He expains individual timing for children, career, eduction, etc. It seems very open to individual adaptation at any given point, or at least that&#039;s the message my spirit received when I studied it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you everyone for your comments and insights! I really appreciate them.</p>
<p>Moniker Challenged, I feel for you. I have to admit that my dad was the one who helped me see that &#8220;my Mary&#8221; could develop a thicker skin when it comes to the choices I feel are right and what others think of them. This has always been a challenge for me (as you can tell from my post). I think compassion is the best choice for me when other people criticise, particularly without real knowledge of my circumstances, and then I just go and do what I think is right anyway. Some people have a limited view, but over time it can change. People have backed off of being so critical of me. I&#8217;m 29 without kids, and I actually feel less pressured to conform now than I did five years ago. I definitely wish you the best.</p>
<p>Lyn, great questions. While I see these three things as counsel (and not so much commandments &#8211; finances, education, and procreation are all deeply personal choices and necessarily customized to the individual), I see what you mean. The only solution I can come up with is that all three can eventually be done, but perhaps all not at the same time. That&#8217;s why I really love President Faust&#8217;s talk on this. He expains individual timing for children, career, eduction, etc. It seems very open to individual adaptation at any given point, or at least that&#8217;s the message my spirit received when I studied it.</p>
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		<title>By: Bored in Vernal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bored in Vernal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Loved this post -- and Lyn&#039;s comment.  Alisa, it was so much fun to meet you in person.  I think our life paths and choices can not have been more different, but I admire and respect the things you are doing and the person you are making of yourself. I&#039;m confident you feel the same for me.  It&#039;s almost magical when we as women can see the beauty and spirit in each others&#039; choices.  These things can get so emotional.  But we truly do not need every woman to make the exact same decisions as we do to validate what we have done.

I&#039;ve had to work hard not to take other women&#039;s (sometimes passionate) defenses of their choices as a put down of my own.  When I succeed at doing this, our sisterhood is strengthened.  I hope I&#039;ve made a start on overcoming my deep insecurities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loved this post &#8212; and Lyn&#8217;s comment.  Alisa, it was so much fun to meet you in person.  I think our life paths and choices can not have been more different, but I admire and respect the things you are doing and the person you are making of yourself. I&#8217;m confident you feel the same for me.  It&#8217;s almost magical when we as women can see the beauty and spirit in each others&#8217; choices.  These things can get so emotional.  But we truly do not need every woman to make the exact same decisions as we do to validate what we have done.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had to work hard not to take other women&#8217;s (sometimes passionate) defenses of their choices as a put down of my own.  When I succeed at doing this, our sisterhood is strengthened.  I hope I&#8217;ve made a start on overcoming my deep insecurities.</p>
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