1. Brilliant, April, as always.

    Last week in Relief Society, two women were asked to go and bear their testimony in Priesthood about the Relief Society. One of the women was sitting next to me. She was gobsmacked they had asked her– and by all appearances, she looks very devout Mormon. But she let me in on the same secret that a dozen other women in that same relief society have shared with me: She hated Relief Society. It isn’t a women’s organization and it isn’t run by women. It is a group that does what activities are approved by the bishop and what things are approved by the bishop and other men to be taught. It isn’t a women’s organization at all. Ordination would make it a women’s organization because women would be in position to create their own women’s program. It would help women, and families.

    Ordination is necessary. That is clear.

    • There’s no question that many women feel disenfranchised and powerless in the Church. If correlation was really inspired, the logical next step has to be women’s ordination.

  2. Bravo! Beautiful outline and summary of the growth we need for the future. I would also like to add Chieko Okasaki’s bit in here. Remember when Gregory Prince interviewed her in Dialogue? She shared,

    “We wanted to change the manual so that it brought up modern-day problems that women have to face and focus on how to implement some of the gospel doctrines and principles in dealing with the problem.
    “I had written a general outline, and the Relief Society presidency approved it. So I talked about it to a man on the Curriculum Committee. He went to his boss, and the boss said, “We don’t need a new manual for the Relief Society.” “Why don’t we need a new manual?” “We already are writing a manual for them.””


    • Can you imagine if we were using a manual put together by Chieko Okazaki? I mean, whenever I teach anything, I always use her books as a resource anyway, but seriously, Relief Society would be amazing.

    • That Okazaki interview is fascinating reading. The part where she discusses her experiences in the RS presidency says so much about the relative powerlessness of even the highest ranking women in the church. Everyone should read it.

    • So enjoyed reading the Dialogue article by C. Okasaki. I think as a church we have along way to go before women’s voices are heard and taken seriously. Sadly it won’t be in my lifetime. When the “old guards” die off, then perhaps change will come. We also need to see people of colour in the hierarchy of the church.

    • I really liked reading that interview too. I was glad to see that she didn’t like women being left out of decision making in regards to many things. I especially liked that she thought the women would have made changes to the proclamation!

  3. As usual, you do an amazing job of synthesizing truths into a clear outline. The downside of this is that I am now feeling more depressed about the church than I was before, and it has been a blue month for being a mormon for me. I guess it makes me feel better about always missing RS because I am in YW. While the same problems plague the YW in terms of not really being autonomous, I do feel that I have a much freer hand in making lessons and activities about womanhood. We don’t clear our activities with the bishopric. In lessons I rely primarily on scripture or quotations, largely by women, of my choosing. We don’t have the “presidents of the church” manuals for which I am grateful.

    I am glad I don’t have to solicit donations. But I would also feel more invested if my money went to my ward and we controlled what we did entirely. If I thought we ever did anything that mattered as a Relief Society I might feel like I was part of it. But we don’t. We have no meaningful service projects. As a participant in an auxiliary I feel totally isolated and irrelevant to my ward’s RS. Our activities usually involve highly orchestrated “social” time (you WILL sit at this table not with your friends or people you want to meet) followed by long devotionals that tend to be one-sided lectures. I used to love the Relief Society. I loved feeling like I was part of a group of women who were united in sisterhood and devotion to God. Now I don’t feel like I’m part of it and I also don’t really see what good we are doing collectively. As individuals serving, yes. As an organization? I’m not so sure.

    • I’m sorry this post is such a downer. I agree that it is pretty depressing. Maybe I should tack on a warning label: “as a precaution, please eat chocolate while reading this post.”

      • Ha! Yes! I could use a prescription for that…

  4. Wow! Thanks for a excellent article. Fascinating history of the boys taking it away from the girls. Loved this conclusion; Is there a way that the church could reap the benefits of correlation under priesthood authority without so many unfortunate side effects for women? Yes. The church could end the priesthood ban against women… Well done!

    • I love this post so much, and I want to buy the t-shirt that says “Ordination is the Answer to Correlation.”

      Thank you, April!

  5. April, this is brilliant and I think it should be published in The Exponent II magazine as a way of getting it down for posterity.

    Like Em, I am depressed by the history of the Relief Society. But I also see benefits to correlation, like not having to fundraise and being well integrated with the rest of the church. Maybe correlation was a necessary step in the growth of the church, but it is not the final answer. Maybe ordaining women will complete the picture.

  6. It seems to me that, since this is the Dispensation of the Fullness of Times, when ALL things are to be restored, the ordination of women to the Priesthood is inevitable. Even though this post takes an indirect route to get there, it does lead to one more justification of ordaining women, a clever use of Occam’s Razor to get to the point. This was a fun and a thought-provoking read.

  7. Great post, April. It’s just one piece, but wow, but the grain-selling story is infuriating!

  8. This is beautiful. Reading it made me want to throw up. In a good way.

    Well done. Thank you, April.

  9. Personally, though I had never thought of it before, reading this article made me think that perhaps the changes in the Relief Society were made because Relief Society is a vehicle the Lord uses to train his daughters and set them apart from the world. So, in the early days of the church, at a time when women were considered property, and didn’t have a vote, couldn’t own things, etc, he showed them how wide and extensive their sphere of action and influence could be. He encouraged them to take on new roles and value themselves fully. Now, women have power in many, many ways. In fact, they have so much power in the world and they focus so much on how extensive their sphere of action can be that they sometimes forget the importance of home and family and leave it behind in pursuit of bigger and better things. And so, the Lord is pointing them back to what is first and most important: to be guardians of the hearth–again, that they may know their worth and value themselves fully. April clearly believes this focus on being guardian of the hearth is depreciative. I don’t–especially as social values roll like waves on the sea, and wash further and further from doctrine, women’s strength is needed at home! But whether the Lord is asking women to step outside their comfort zone and the expectations of society by expanding their roles or centering/concentrating them, it is going to be uncomfortable for somebody. But discomfort does not mean something is “wrong.”

    That said, I know that is validating for women to know there are other women who don’t understand current policies and feel marginalized because of it. It is helpful for women to know we are not alone; it can be nurturing to faith to know there are others who don’t understand and still have faith. This article does not nurture faith, though. It’s purpose seems to be to set up a construct of men vs. women, us vs. them, self vs. other. That is not the way of unity, and will not create a Zion people. We work with our brothers, not against them. The Lord gives us power when our hearts are soft.

  10. “And indeed, a class to attend is about all that is left of Relief Society today.” Um, isn’t that a bit insulting to the RS leaders who are working their asses off in ministering to the ward? The RS plays a huge role in compassionate services to people of both genders.

    Yes, it is supervised by priesthood. Where I live, this means that the bishop signs a bunch of blank food orders and turns them over to the RS president to work with families that he has interviewed. They visit with him for a few minutes, and then someone in RS spends hours working with them on budgeting, coming up with a menu, learning to cook some meals, etc. This stewardship includes single dads, so I would either bring my husband or delegate to a quorum leader. The male priesthood leaders I worked with never had issues reporting back to me, respecting my stewardship in this area, so I don’t think that is a concern should women be ordained. But working with four bishops, I never had one micromanage what I was doing.

    RS also has a responsibility for burial clothing, which they have had since the beginning when they were sewn by hand. Of course this is nothing in an area with a distribution center at a strip mall. For me, it meant driving 45 minutes to get clothes from the stake RS president who had also driven 45 minutes to meet me halfway. And no, our ward families were not particularly unprepared; a lot of conditions that cause death also cause the body to swell up so that the clothes no longer fit.

    I think there are lots of great points in this essay, but minimizing the contributions that RS makes is not persuasive.

  11. very interesting..I like this post

  12. Excellent, excellent post. Well done.


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